Getting to his house that early morning was not problematic, though it was tucked away from the hustle and bustle of the main road leading to the seat of power in Ibadan, Oyo State. He was actually expecting the MEDIA HUB team, having booked an appointment with him through a familiar political proxy for 9:00 am. The early morning appointment, no doubt, gave an inkling about our subject, which we later confirmed. It is not the past time of many politicians to keep faith with such early appointments, for varied reasons that most times, defy logic. Nonetheless, we kept our own side of the bargain, as we entered his beautiful compound some minutes before the appointed time.
He was promptly notified of our presence by his amiable and dutiful workers, including personal staffers and drivers, preparing for the day’s business. Without much delay, we were ushered into his tastefully furnished and uniquely decorated living room, with his study on the right. There were no disappointments, it was indeed, a “Professorial Haven” with all its trappings. Of particularly interest was the glittering giant piano, occupying a good portion of the room. Unmistakably, our host is a great lover of music and pianist, to have invested in such a magnificent piano. You may want to ask, what’s the business of a Professor of Agriculture in music?
Before the commencement of the encounter, the beautiful wife of our host came around without a whisper, ostensibly to ensure that her husband were in good hands. She allowed us to drill her husband for hours, minding her own business without any interference whatsoever. There was love in the air, as she keeps prying eyes on the happenings around the house. It is symptomatic of a good family, any man prays for.
The Professor of Animal Science, who once served as the Oyo State Chairman of State Universal Basic Education Board, SUBEB, was pleasantly surprised because two members of the MEDIA HUB team were well known to him. This is a relationship that had span well over two decades. After exchanging banters as brothers and a few remarks, we settled down for business.
Professor Soji Adejumo of the Faculty of Agriculture, University of Ibadan and a leading Gubernatorial Aspirant in 2019, under the auspices of the All Progressives Congress, APC, in Oyo State is a good conversationist. He states his views without being abrasive, he does not substitute good argumentation for name calling. In fact, his disposition to politics is a deep reflection of his personality. ” Things are extremely fluid for the parties these days. I’m saying that we still do not have solid party on ground and between now and 2023, a lot will still happen.”
An area of the encounter that got the better part of him, was the deterioration that has bedeviled Nigeria’s educational sector, particularly the rot in the university system. As a critical stakeholder, he bares his mind and hopes something is done urgently to reverse the ugly trend so that we could join the civilised world.
He spoke candidly on a lot of sundry issues.
Which of the political parties do you belong to now?
I am a member of the All Progressives Congress (APC).
Some said you have returned to PDP. Is that in the offing?
I would say, there is no viable political party on ground now. Things are extremely fluid for the parties these days, but I am still in APC, not PDP.
APC had a problem in Oyo State some time ago. A reconciliation committee was put in place headed by ex-Governor Alao Akala. How far has the committee gone?
The reconciliation committee was put in place by late Governor Abiola Ajimobi. When he set it up, I called him and faulted it. I told him, the committee was populated by the people accused of being responsible for the problem of the party. They would not be able to solve the issues. They were the accused, and they were the accusers, too. The accusers will feel more aggrieved and insulted having many accused individuls in the panel. I told him he should have put members of the current advisory council into the panel. People who do not have leaning to left or right. That the chairman of the committee ought to be assisted by a vice chairman, so that he would not turn authocratic. That was around February/March last year. But you know Ajimobi is always self opinionated. So, the panel could not go far.
You put Akala there, fine, but he ought to have a vice chairman for checks and balances.
Ajimobi insisted he knew what he was doing. So the committee did not go far.
Some are of the opinion that the death Ajimobi was a divine intervention?
I would not regard it as divine intervention. There have been no serious injury done to anybody. It was an unfortunate situation. If you talk of the death of Abacha, we can agree that was a divine intervention, but not Ajimobi’s death. With or without him, event would have still run to logical conclusion. His panel, Adebayo Shittu still kicked against it and rejected Akala as chairman of the panel. The National Executive dissolved the National Working Committee. You have National Caretaker on ground. What I am saying is that you still do not have solid party on ground. Chief Bisi Akande talked against the set up. Between now and 2023, a lot will happen, only recently, ex-Gov. Gbenga Daniel moved to APC. Omisore too, in Ile Ife, Osun State moved there. Right now we have no stable political parties on ground. What is happening today in terms of national security does not support any political ambition for there is insecurity everywhere.
Let’s talk of what affects us all – security in the country. Do you see this issue being handled well in Oyo State?
I am disappointed with how Makinde handled security in Oyo State. Why I am disappointed is that when Governor Akeredolu gave quit notice to herders, a lot of people were shocked. Even Abuja was rattled, because they thought he was one of them. When the Development Agenda for Western Nigeria (DAWN) organised security summit of South West at Ogunlesi Hall, University College Hospital (UCH), I think in 2019, a lot were discussed. Gov. Makinde was very eloquent, Akeredolu was diplomatic. He did not want to offend higher authority in Abuja. Gov. Fayemi was neither hot nor cold. He played safe. Gov. Makinde went straight to the point, knocking the problem on the head. The problem has since changed from being individuals to tribal.
Makinde was proactive in the formation of Amotekun. I expected him to be highly proactive. The pronouncements of Makinde could tell Abuja his mindset. When Akeredolu ordered Fulani herders out, everybody was shocked. Abuja quickly answered through Garba Shehu. Akeredolu too fired back that it seemed Abuja is being sentimentally attached to the Fulani herders. So, a meeting was quickly arranged between President Muhammadu Buhari and Governor Akeredolu in Abuja. But in the case of Oyo State, see what Sunday Igboho has done. In fact, Makinde only went short of pronouncing him a terrorist. Yet, it is clear, what Sunday Igboho did was a civil response to insecurity in the state. Sunday Igboho has no military, police or law back up, but he went on his own to the troubled spots in protest against insecurity. That is civil protest. What constituted authority should do is what Igboho did. Instead of calling Igboho and other stakeholders together, he did not do it. He was accusing Igboho. The governor started perambulating. People get disillusioned and our people in diaspora were more angry at the governor. No one of them want to hear that the herders have invaded their community and kill their people. So they were more apprehensive. Our people in diaspora are very vocal because they can not just rush home to save the situation. That was the background of what happened in Sasa, Ibadan. Pent up anger, and our people discovered that the criminals are getting bolder with impunity so the people went against them on their own. We must reclaim our land and ensure peace.
“I would not regard it as divine intervention. There have been no serious injury done to anybody. It was an unfortunate situation. If you talk of the death of Abacha, we can agree that was a divine intervention, but not Ajimobi’s death. With or without him, event would have still run to logical conclusion.”
When similar things happened to our people in the North, did you ever see Southern governors gathering together and travelled to confront their counterparts as some Northern governors had done with Seyi Makinde?
I remember, I was in Lagos during Xmas and met with some people – Yoruba families. They said they had just returned South from Kaduna because, they were all along living in peace in Kaduna when all of a sudden, their home was attacked in the night by mobs. They said they jumped the fence to the next compound which was also owned by an Hausa man, but he protected them. Their own house was looted and burnt down. The lady just got wedded to a Northerner. She said she thought no harm would come to her in the North because of her Northern husband, not knowing that they had become outcast to the hoodlums in the North. Yet, you have Northern governors coming to the South to demand security for their people when our own people up there were left alone to insecurity. Did you see Southern governors intervening?
Sooner or later, this country will have to be redetermined. I do not pray for it to be violent, but no doubt the country must be redetermined, whether we like it or not.
“What constituted authority should do is what Igboho did. Instead of calling Igboho and other stakeholders together, he did not do it. He was accusing Igboho. The governor started perambulating. People get disillusioned and our people in diaspora were more angry at the governor. No one of them want to hear that the herders have invaded their community and kill their people. So they were more apprehensive.”
With the situation you have painted, Is 2023 realistic?
I think 2023 is realistic. Once Buhari term ends, I do not see any extension. Two, actors are already on ground gearing up for action. People will ask a lot of questions which they must answer. I believe, 2023 is realistic, and it will happen. It will be a turning point either for good or bad.
Are you saying 2023 will happen with the structures on ground?
I also believe that with the structure we have now, I don’t see any magic that will produce 2023.
If it does not happen, are you saying the constitution will be amended to pave way for an extension?
What I am saying is that the people will have to take their fate in their hands. There is no room for sitting on the fence. You do not sit on the fence and expect changes to happen. It happened in America, the Republicans sat on the fence, they knew what Trump was doing but they kept quiet instead of telling him to change, they did not. Something similar happened in 1983 during Shehu Shagari era, then came December 31st, 1983 with Buhari government. 2023 will happen but what will happen after 2023, I can not predict.
Rotation of Presidency between North and South. Your take?
The rotation thing is dead on arrival. I am a politician, we do not keep faith with any agreement, outside our interest. Even in the beginning of this Fourth Republic, the Presidency was conceded to the South West to compensate for Abiola’s victory annulled by Babangida, but other areas did not keep to it. Ekwueme from South East contested the primaries against the South West. Was it first or second term of Obasanjo, Abubakar Rimi came out from the North against Obasanjo. You see, what we are saying is that nobody has ever come out to say this is the position of our party. Everybody is coming up to contest. Sokoto, Kano, Enugu etc. Even the stakeholders in the South are also wallowing in self-deceit. If you talk to them, the South-West will say, Presidency is coming South-West, the Easterners will say, it is coming to the South-East. Politicians only keep faith with their own selfish interest. You see when Obasanjo was in power, he had all opportunities to institutionalise certain things but he wanted to be Mr. Nigeria Personified. He did not build structures that will allow each region to function. He practically handed over the country’s structures to the North. His deputy, Atiku Abubakar has no Obasanjo intellect, but he used the power handed over to the North to his own advantage.
“The rotation thing is dead on arrival. I am a politician, we do not keep faith with any agreement, outside our interest. Even in the beginning of this Fourth Republic, the Presidency was conceded to the South West to compensate for Abiola’s victory annulled by Babangida, but other areas did not keep to it. Ekwueme from South East contested the primaries against the South West.”
Now to education, your area of interest. What is left of it with Pandemic 19?
When fish wants to rot, it starts from the head. Federal Ministry of Education is the problem. See the appointment of Vice-Chancellor in Ibadan, the Ministry showed absolutely lack of intelligence. Crisis of nine months strike – A show of stupidity on the part of the government. You can’t wage war on a system that is collapsing. The lecturers saw it and put some conditions down, to save the situation but government said no. How many Nigerian universities are in the list of the leading 1,000 universities in the world? Our curriculum is outdated. But only for 19th century, not 20th century. If you keep talking to a person even if he’s wrong, there will be some level of compromise, but government just neglected them. There are more of non-academic staff in the university than academic staff. University is known for academic work, not beauty of building or road network. Go to laboratories, libraries, they have deteriorated. That is the unfortunate situation. If we do not tackle it from the top, we go nowhere. If Ministry says VC can not buy pencil, that is it. At U.I. under Prof. Adewole, he employed 2,000 non-academic staff. That to tell you the type of advice he was given when he came. Of what academic value is that? If a Nobel laureate is brought to Nigeria, he will be made a Director and start pushing files. He will be rendered useless. See the man who designed Paris Metro project, he is a professor and the size of his office is like this my own. It does not require a gigantic building before tangible work can be done. Academics are not helping matters too. Non-academic staff are more than academic staff
In some universities in other countries, you can just get down from a cab and enter the gate of a university. But here in Nigeria, you will drive on dual carriage way for about 10 kilometres within a university. What for? University is known by academic work not big buildings. When you enter there you are changed or transformed for life. That is university education. Go to the Anthropology Department, University of Ibadan (U.I). It is supposed to be the Centre for the Study of Human History. What do you have there now? Somebody cried to me that her daughter was admitted for Anthropology but he wanted Sociology. I told her, Anthropology is supposed to be money spinner not Sociology. But if you go to the department now, you see it dusty as if no academic work is going on there. All these are the work of leadership. If you do not have good leaders to lead, there will be problem. You want to construct Ibadan–Oyo Express road, that road has failed in about 18 sites. Just Ibadan–Oyo alone, 30 minutes drive. Ministry of Works just gave it out to the contractor. U.I. was not involved. But the university ought to be called and be given the consultancy/design and supervision. But they were sidelined and the project given straight to contractors such as Julius Berger or RCC. Had it been U.I. is in the picture, the school would supervise and make sure the work is properly done. Universities ought to tell the ministry the conditions the contractors have to fulfill. If you place universities in proper position. Our education is collapsing and we are having no solution. Our Engineers have no technical know-how, but we give engineering work to Chinese and Indians. In 30 years time, you will discover that working engineers in Nigeria are foreigners because we are not engaging and encouraging ours at home.
“Go to the Anthropology Department, University of Ibadan (U.I). It is supposed to be the Centre for the Study of Human History. What do you have there now? Somebody cried to me that her daughter was admitted for Anthropology but he wanted Sociology. I told her, Anthropology is supposed to be a money spinner not Sociology. But if you go to the department now, you see it dusty as if no academic work is going on there.”
When workers do not see any benefit for them at the end of the day, they let the country down. The worst is holding down the best in the country, what is the way out?
It is a very difficult question to answer, for it has been going on for long. I have seen highly talented individuals in this country but they had no where to go for the system is holding them down without specific function. Why are they being wasted? Would they allow them to perform? You have highly talented and educated ministers, directors, but would they be allowed to function. The focus is not on performance but money. And how much are they going to spend in their lifetime? Thank God for this COVID-19 pandemic, Nigeria can see now that we have enormous talents but it is this talents we destroy first. During the last electioneering campaign, even some student leaders would not campaign where we entrusted them. They have been given N10m to spend and they left their campus, camped themselves somewhere for enjoyment. When we talk of corruption, it is terrible. So, if students have been corrupted to that level, I am afraid, the level of corruption has gone so high. So, to answer why the worst is controlling the best, the question is tough!
“Our Engineers have no technical know-how, but we give engineering work to Chinese and Indians. In 30 years time, you will discover that working engineers in Nigeria are foreigners because we are not engaging and encouraging ours at home.”
What happens to mentorship in Nigeria?
You mentor with clean heart. What many mentors do these days is keeping their mentees in perpetual slavery and that’s another problem in Nigeria. You are mentoring a person and you do not want him or her to be independent but to rely on you. Why? Today, our government has failed woefully in mentorship. Because our top priority is security and the government has failed to provide it. When you can not secure the lives of individuals that will work with you, what do you want them to do or achieve? A friend of mine in Asaba invited me to come and mentor a Ph.D student. I know the student will benefit from me abundantly, because I will put him on pure leadership role. I always tell my students the major points to follow and individuals to interview and make them realise that their career was about to start and they must make sure, they use their studies to solve societal problems. But how can I go to Asaba, and be kidnapped?. My children need me. If you do not solve security problem, you can not develop. I got a call from Zaria, but I declined it. Why should I go to Zaria and some miscreants will kidnap me and call my wife the second day to demand for money after beating me to stupor. So, if you can not solve security problem, you go no where near development. A Vice-Chancellor two times in different universities was coming from Bayelsa. He was kidnapped near Owo in Ondo State. He said, the beating he received from kidnappers is rather imagined than experienced. It was terrible at the age of 64. So, our number one challenge is security. If we do not solve security problem, there is nothing like mentorship. Fulani boys of 17 or 18 years old dehumanised 64 year-old professor. He said he drank his own urine because he was not given water. He just came back and retired. Federal Government is selling state properties to pay salary. They are being clever by half. Do you know the number of moribund agencies in Nigeria today? And they have staff and allocations every year. What is the role of those agencies? If they shut down, they will only pay gratuities and pensions not salaries and maintenance again. Go to other agencies, ministries even universities, do away with those who are redundant. Rationalise. They know what to do. Downsize.
“I have seen highly talented individuals in this country but they had no where to go for the system is holding them down without specific function. Why are they being wasted? Would they allow them to perform? You have highly talented and educated ministers, directors, but would they be allowed to function. The focus is not on performance but money.”
You threw your hat into the rings for 2019 governorship in Oyo State, what is the situation going to look like in 2023?
I am being tactical with my political ambition. It’s not a do or die affair. In 2019, I was in APC and I tried to contest. I know what to do as a state governor. So I went to Gov. Ajmobi and told him. You know I collaborated with him, in fact, he told me to pick any position I want, but I said, no. I told him I will not be one of his staff. I value my integrity much. I went to Gov. Ajimobi and told him if he had anybody in mind to succeed him. He replied no. I told him that it was not possible not to have somebody in mind given the situation on ground. The blueprint he used in his administration was prepared by me. So I asked him, do you think I am qualified? He said, Yes. The following day, he called us for a meeting at Government House. So, I told him I would try my luck and contest. He said, Soji, don’t waste your money. So I knew the game. Ajimobi told our committee to pick three of us for 2019. My name came first , Akintola followed and someone alse but not Adelabu. Those ones did not want Adelabu. That was 2019 and at that time I had options. I weighed that options very intelligently. Because I saw that coalition coming up and I knew coalition is always strong.
“A Vice-Chancellor two times in different universities was coming from Bayelsa. He was kidnapped near Owo in Ondo State. He said, the beating he received from kidnappers is rather imagined than experienced. It was terrible at the age of 64. So, our number one challenge is security. If we do not solve security problem, there is nothing like mentorship.”
Disappointment suffered in Oyo State. Ladoja–Molete drama.
Law of Karma. Ladoja repaid Adedibu in bad coin and he too did not enjoy his government. Ladoja was not part of us. He was not a politician. In those days, I was a Lecturer I, in U.I. I was preparing to go higher. I spent nine years six months at U.I. and less six months to be eligible for pension. I met Adedibu. We met at Kakanfo Inn. There he asked me to come and contest for Oyo South Senatorial seat. I told him if I resigned, I will not want the story to change. He said the story will not change, that they want people like me in the Senate. So, I went and resigned to contest for Senate. Ladoja was no where by then. After I had been assured there was no opposition, it was Alhaja Adedibu, that is Adedibu’s wife, who called me and said, Prof. have you talked to the Governor on this Senate thing? Late Kolapo Ishola was by then the governor. So I told her I had not. He said I should do it in confidence. Because I feared Baba, I did not want a situation where Baba would have opportunity to oppose me. Baba installed Kolapo Ishola. And he promised me the Senate ticket. If I went to the governor again, Baba might be offended to say why did I go to the governor, after he had nominated me. Alhaja said I should see the governor in confidence. I went and discussed with Governor Ishola. He told me there was a challenge on Oyo South Senatorial seat, because I was nominated by Baba but there was also Ladoja who gave the governor a huge sum of money on two occasions during the struggle and later gave a Mercedez Benz car for campaign as gift. “ I told him to be chairman of Odu’a but Ladoja turned back to say no, he wanted Senate”. So, Kolapo Isola told me that he had told Baba to tell me to step down. I went to Baba and informed him what governor had said. Baba was alarmed, he said, would Kolapo rule the government and the party together? He told me not to worry, that day, he appointed my coordinators for the 11 local government of Oyo South Senatorial area, so we started meetings and workings. I got a phone call that Baba wanted to see me at Molete at 4p.m one day. I was later told that he wanted to tell me to step down on the Senate contest. I went there with some of my coordinators. Many party leaders were there. I went wearing an immaculate white flowing agbada. There and then, Baba informed me that the party was having some challenges and I would have to step down from contesting for Senate, and he gave some other upfront. Before then at Arisekola’s house, were Kunle Sanni, NACOMYO president then, and Alhaja Aminatu Abiodun. Adedibu told all of them that, Soji Adejumo was going to be the Senator. According to him, “he is a Christian and he had worked for the party. And when he was labouring for the party, your own children were nowhere to be found. He would be our Senator”. Arisekola said I should see him later. When I returned to Arisekola, he said what Adedibu said in my presence was said just to placate me. So when in Adedibu’s house, he stood up and pleaded that I would have to step down to save party, my coordinators went wild. They rejected it and asked me to carry on with or without Baba and promised to stand by me.
Baba withdrew all coordinators he appointed for me. Ladoja was put in place for the Senate seat. But it was clear that Ladoja was not on the ground. He would fail woefully in any primary. You know during the primary Baba said he would not come to the stadium. And he did not come, but when primary, started and the township local government cast their votes for me, instead of Ladoja, problem started. The less city local council were delayed. Then Mutiat Ladoja’s aide ran to Baba and told him that if he failed to come to the stadium, Ladoja would lose. That was how Adedibu was drafted to the stadium, while the less city councils were yet to vote. As at the time they returned the five local government were refused entrance into the stadium. Hazeem Gbolarumi and others did that. Ladoja had 117 votes. Baba sent to me to vie for Reps seat which was already given to Soji Akanbi, which I rejected. Soji came to me and thanked me. Why should I snatch his ticket? I refused. Adedibu came to my house with a crowd, practically begging that I should go to Reps, but I refused. It was at that time that the Federal Government was trying to establish diplomatic ties with Israel under General Babangida. Prof. Tunde Adeniran was involved and Gov. Tapgun of Plateau State. So, I was introduced to the committee by Prof. Adeniran. Already, there were flight directly from Tel Aviv to Lagos. So when I joined the team, I relocated to Jos where I was put in the old Governor’s Lodge in Jos. Even, the Ladojas were at home for about six months, not inaugurated and he did not collect kobo. Baba Adedibu would go to Abuja, collect Ladoja’s salary, allowances and pocketed it. So, it was during Xmas break that Kolapo Isola sent for me that I should be his adviser on Agric. I asked the governor why now since all this time. I was comfortable in Jos. But they kept pressing me to serve at home instead of outside my state. And I have spent one year in Jos. But Kolapo informed me that Baba Adedibu would not give him rest unless Soji Adejumo was brought back, but Ladoja would not want to hear Soji Adejumo. Ladoja said, the person who opposed them sternly like that must never be allowed into the party. But Adedibu insisted, I must be brought along. That was January 1993 that I returned to Ibadan. In fact it was a blessing in disguise for that very year. June 12 was annulled. Abacha came and sent all civilian governors packing. I left Jos in a private Okada Airline because the day I was leaving, there was no flight to Lagos. But some governors were in Jos, so they joined Igbinedion in his Aircraft. He took us to Benin, disembarked and directed the crew to take us to Lagos. That was how I returned home. I think there were about six governors that day on the Flight. It was the Jos experience that made me big in Kolapo Isola’s administration. My reports and trips to Israel endeared me to Kolapo. Obasanjo made governorship possible for Ladoja. Adeojo was in control of the party structure by then. But Obasanjo broke all rules to back Ladoja, to defeat Adeojo. Late Hon. Segun Oladimeji (Segelu) was the state party chairman by then. But Ladoja got to governorship and sidelined all. He came under one Celestial man canopy and he abandoned us all. I remember with Ladoja, we slept at Igbeti, two weeks to election, he said, Soji, I am going to hand over Agric to you. But when he got to the post, he was cornered by one Celestial Church Shephered and it became a thug of war to even see Ladoja, talkless of discussing with him. I was even calling him on phone. I did not want to go to Adedibu. I felt we should move forward, we have different roles to play to make Ladoja successful in governance. So I pushed all differences aside and went to him directly and told him that Mr. Governor, we must go to Abuja together, and I will use all my contacts to make you connected there. But to my surprise, I saw it on NTA Network News, Ladoja in Abuja with Gbolarumi and Adedibu. I was sidelined. So I called him and ask why I was sidelined? He started making excuses. Then, Sarafadeen Alli, the SSG called and invited me to Abuja. So, in Abuja I contacted Engr. Segun Oni, a Director in PTF. In fact, Segun Oni said he was not in good terms with Fayose who had taken over the state by then. Then Segun Oni asked Ladoja, “What role will Soji play in your government? He said, Commissioner for Agriculture or Chairman of SPEB. Segun Oni said that was also good. Those three days we were in Abuja, Ladoja did not give us One Naira for food. Late Bola Alphonso and myself were the ones giving money to the state liaison office cooks to prepare food for us. We left Abuja for Lagos after those days. I now told Ladoja that if I would manage the SPEB for him, he would have to return missionary schools to the owners, so as to save cost and for proper management. He was happy and I told him we must see Gov. Bola Tinubu in Lagos on it because Lagos had successfully done it. So, we left for Lagos. Tinubu said, this is the happiest day of his life that another state wanted to copy what he did in Lagos. So, when Ladoja said Prof. Adejumo will do it for me in Oyo State, Gov. Tinubu said let’s get Chief Sonibare from Ikorodu, he was the one who made it happened in Lagos. So Tinubu called Sonibare immediately. He did not get to him so Tinubu gave me his number that I should call him later. Thereafter Ladoja refused to pick my calls.
After much trial, Ladoja picked my call one day. I told him all we have agreed upon and what the next step will be. He said, Olorun a ba wa se e. Mo ni Olorun a ba wa se e bawo? Sebi a ti soro, a ti seto. Ladoja later proposed to me that may be I will be sent to Abuja as Liaison Officer. I replied that, that position is good for elderly ones not vibrant person like me. He said I should suggest a person. I mentioned Dr. Saka Balogun. Ladoja agreed. I called Saka Balogun and he accepted it, and he was given. Then I asked, Temi n ko? He said we should wait o. Later, I was made to know that the Celestial Shepherd had put down some names for Ladoja that those one should not come near his government. My name was on the forbidden list. I went to Adedibu to let him know. On getting there, Adedibu was lamenting what Ladoja was doing to him. I told him about my own situation. Adedibu said we must work together to remove Ladoja. That was how we became a team working to get rid of Ladoja government. We were not voluntarily involved but forced by situations. In fact what happened that time, Adedibu had no capacity to do it, but as a team work, we achieved, our set goals.
In fact, we held a series of meetings with Obasanjo, even with Arisekola and others. Some tried to see him but he was too arrogant. Now let Ladoja come out and point to his achievements as governor and senator. But for me, I can point to so many achievements. Relationship with Israel is one. I did this and that at SUBEB. Note, when I was in Jos I did not come to U.I. For a whole year I spent in Jos, I did not step U.I. since my job in Jos had kept me above water.